You're going to burn down your house? For the insurance? Maybe best not to talk about it here...
I'm so done with the Presidential outcome and now looking more closely at key things on the local ballot. LOVE this song!
von LX: Why, no, dear sir, not the House I'm thinking of.Boxer: Excellent article in Forbes online today about why neither the Republicans nor the Democrats deserve our vote. A must read: http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2012/10/22/frightened-republicans-try-to-shut-down-election-competitors/
Good afternoon Moi,I think this quote from the article makes the important point. "In 1998 Sen. Harry Reid, the current majority leader, won reelection by 428 votes while more than 8000 Nevadans chose “none.” As the national challengers in 2012, the Republicans hoped these voters would migrate their way. Thankfully, the federal appellate court affirmed the law." Harry Reid runs neck and neck with Barack Obama for worst elected official. He's a career politician who made a fortune off of the backs of his electorate. Yet those voting for none (or Gary Johnson in the case of the national election) reelected him. A vote for Johnson is just like burning down the house.
Karl's point is a good one. But this constant choice between two awfuls is hard on the spirit. If mitt was real, I could get past it. But he supports everything I hate the most: NDAA, SOPA, all the wars, corporate welfare, QE6000 and so on. Choosing which monster will represent the oppressive state is Nothing but going thru the motions
Karl: It also makes this important point:Both the Republican and the Democratic presidential candidates talk about liberty, freedom, fiscal responsibility, free enterprise, choice, and the Constitution. But neither candidate believes in those principles. Elect either Barack Obama or Mitt Romney, and government will be bigger, spending will be higher, regulation will be more intrusive, the military will be fighting more wars, more service personnel will be dying, more money will be wasted abroad, civil liberties of more people will be violated, and more privacy of more citizens will be invaded. Overall, the free society will continue to retreat.Chickory: Yes. My wallet can survive another four years. My conscience cannot.
And that is where we are. Well said Moi
If I may plead my case just a bit more. I understand and agree with Chickory's reservations. I supported Gary Stevens until he took himself out of the race. I realize fighting the GOP mainstream was more than an uphill battle for him. However his only legitimate chance of winning was on the GOP ticket. Had he stayed in the race throughout all the debates he may have had a chance. But he didn't. He opted out.I believe Romney even though he's only slight the right of center will do a better job than President Obama. The real reform needs to come from locally elected members of Congress. They control the legislature and money.One other thought. Can your wallet survive four years of a lame duck Obama Administration? The Muslim brotherhood and Putin certainly don't think so.
Karl: You plead your case well, señor. However, Johnson changed his party because he knew he could be more of a thorn in the status quo side by running under the Libertarian ticket. No way in hell he would have received the GOP nod and his days of making waves would have ended there. But this way, he gets to fight and push and prod and try to change people's minds up until the bitter end.
I guess I weigh in in Karl's camp. We needed to have started a serious Libertarian candidate years ago - for this race - if one were to be a contender. Now it is the lesser of evils choice because they are the only two who can get enough votes to be elected. So every vote to keep the incumbent from a 4 year repeat of the damage is really the best choice for this election, regardless of personal philosophy.A vote for Johnson is really a throwaway vote for any improvement to be had.I can't agree wholly with any party platform. And worse, with any of the candidates, I stand to lose my job. So far the incumbent President and the hopeful VP have both tried to eliminate my job. No doubt Johnson would do so too.To use an old quote: "EACH PARTY IS WORSE THAN THE OTHER ONE!" Maybe truer now than when it was first uttered.I don't often cuss and discuss politics, but this election is a crux. We have already slipped closer to communisim/socialism/ and a police state than this nation ever has, and it is frightening - particularly so because there is no loud outcry as our rights are eroded grain by grain.We need to vote for the lesser of evils this year, but start immediately - like yesterday - to find better candidates for the next election!Can we? Dunno, they are all politicians.
Ron Paul understood he needed to work within the GOP to win and look what happened. they didnt have the courage to nominate the republican with an almost perfect constitutional voting record. I believe he would have won in a landslide. He has more crowds than obummer and mitt do put together. but he isnt owned and they cant have that. He had the military too -all branches - the youth vote, and awake refugees from both parties. What concerns me is if Mitt wins, people might relax up a bit and think that Obummers exit means business as usual but the essential problems will persist. With obummer in for another 4, maybe the complacent herd will finally .....hell , I don't have any hope. nevermind.
Anonymous: Well put, and I don't disagree with you. No political candidate of any party encompasses what I believe--maybe Barry Goldwater, most certainly much of what Ronald Reagan stood for or said he stood for. I was finally old enough to vote in 1984 and without hesitation cast my ballot for him. But since then, the escalating rift within and degradation of the ideals of the republican party by Christian fundamentalists and war hawks has left a bad taste in my mouth. The last straw was this election. Fork it. I need to vote what I believe or I'm just a part of the mess.
Chickory: The best thing about Ron Paul is that he scares the status quo-sters to death. I love that. And I would have loved to see him as president.
Anybody watch the debate last night? I think it's near impossible to win a debate on foreign policy against a sitting president. But Governor Romney did make some good points about not slashing the military and how he would deal with China. Lesser of 2 evils is definitely the mantra for the voters in this election. And Moi, I'm in an even worse position being in New Jersey. A Romney vote is a throw-away vote in a Democrat infested state (voted Democrat in last 5 presidential elections). We did elect a Republican Governor, but that was only because the last 2 governors were total disasters (gay-American and sleeping with the teachers union president). So, I will cast my throw-away vote and keep my fingers crossed that whoever wins will be the patriot this country desperately needs.
I did watch Buzz and I agree about the difficulty of going up against a sitting President. That said, I thought Romney was a talking puppet last night, spitting out one liners he had been told to say. I felt he was less of leader and more of a suit. Nothing genuine. Regarding China and him comment he would label them a "currency manipulator" is a perfect example of his empty words. Once he does that, then WHAT? I know they have a short amount of time to get their ideas out, but it didn't make him look like a real leader to me.
China. A currency manipulator. Bwahahahahahaha! That's rich.
I watched some of the debate last night. they are too schooled; too performance like - that ridiculous grin Romney wears when he is listening to Obummer is like evil clown territory. This is bad, people. Just listing the (massive) verifiable facts about Obummers shady connections doesnt turn his voters off - i cant believe the peace loving Libs still carry this devil's water. but they do. I truly do not see how our path can be set right. they are dooming the generations to come, and when they speak of us, it will be rightly, unkind. yeah Kettle, who you calling manipulative?
WE are the biggest currency manipulators.
We can get away with currency manipulation because the US dollar is the international reserve currency of choice. However, with the current reckless spending, borrowing, and printing more funny money, that safety status could be in jeopardy. We're really screwed if that ever happens.
If you're interested in learning more regarding China's policy on currency manipulation. I would suggest that you spend some time reading through the articles of Prof. Peter Morici . The professor has been writing about this issue for a long time. I started reading is opinion articles midway through the Bush administration. Without holding the Waun at 30% below its real value the Chinese expansion in the market would not have been as likely. Another read that I would strongly suggest is Endgame by John Mauldin it will not only give you some good information on currency manipulation it will also point out some of the major risks, we're taking with our huge debt load and quantitative easing.Only one of two of the gentleman likely to be elected to the office understands in any of this, Mr. Romney may not have made his point well in the debate. But his grasp on economic issues and the reality of those issues is far superior to President Obama.
Boxer and von LX: Yes. Karl: Thank you for the info. I'll check 'em both out.
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